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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5138</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2021 08:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5119&quot;&gt;tom_grlla&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I&#039;ll probably do a follow-up piece on Schiehallion at some point - I did a pre-IPO piece in March 2019 then a very brief follow-up after six months so I could do with a refresher! 

With Keystone and its bigger open-ended cousin, it&#039;s definitely a very broad definition and less environmentally focused than the like of Impax and other sustainable funds from what I can tell. 

There&#039;s an interesting Liontrust launch coming up in this area soon: https://investegate.co.uk/liontrust-esg-trust/rns/intention-to-float/202105070700038486X/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5119">tom_grlla</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ll probably do a follow-up piece on Schiehallion at some point &#8211; I did a pre-IPO piece in March 2019 then a very brief follow-up after six months so I could do with a refresher! </p>
<p>With Keystone and its bigger open-ended cousin, it&#8217;s definitely a very broad definition and less environmentally focused than the like of Impax and other sustainable funds from what I can tell. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting Liontrust launch coming up in this area soon: <a href="https://investegate.co.uk/liontrust-esg-trust/rns/intention-to-float/202105070700038486X/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://investegate.co.uk/liontrust-esg-trust/rns/intention-to-float/202105070700038486X/</a></p>
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		By: tom_grlla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2021 12:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Schiehallion is a fascinating one (sorry to be slightly off-topic).  There&#039;s a) the Premium, b) the C-share that&#039;s trading now, and finally c) the quoted part of the portfolio.

Affirm was one of the first to list, and it popped on IPO day - the timing was right.  It&#039;s now down by... 50% and below the listing price.

Hopefully it&#039;s still worth more than they paid, but given the volatility of these Unicorn companies on listing, the more that list, the more volatile the NAV may be.

The problem is that their &#039;USP&#039; is that they don&#039;t sell on IPO, unlike other VCs.  But in the current market with such frothy valuations, selling on IPO does make sense in certain stocks (personally, I was always sceptical about Affirm - BNPL with an overreliance on Peloton as a client is not my bag), though I see the appeal of holding e.g. AirBnB and Stripe for the long-term. 

Keystone... I&#039;ll be honest, I don&#039;t really get the &#039;green&#039; angle here, but I suppose it&#039;s good that it&#039;s becoming more popular.  It just so often feels box-ticking-y.  I think the Stewart Sustainable team do the best job at this sort of thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schiehallion is a fascinating one (sorry to be slightly off-topic).  There&#8217;s a) the Premium, b) the C-share that&#8217;s trading now, and finally c) the quoted part of the portfolio.</p>
<p>Affirm was one of the first to list, and it popped on IPO day &#8211; the timing was right.  It&#8217;s now down by&#8230; 50% and below the listing price.</p>
<p>Hopefully it&#8217;s still worth more than they paid, but given the volatility of these Unicorn companies on listing, the more that list, the more volatile the NAV may be.</p>
<p>The problem is that their &#8216;USP&#8217; is that they don&#8217;t sell on IPO, unlike other VCs.  But in the current market with such frothy valuations, selling on IPO does make sense in certain stocks (personally, I was always sceptical about Affirm &#8211; BNPL with an overreliance on Peloton as a client is not my bag), though I see the appeal of holding e.g. AirBnB and Stripe for the long-term. </p>
<p>Keystone&#8230; I&#8217;ll be honest, I don&#8217;t really get the &#8216;green&#8217; angle here, but I suppose it&#8217;s good that it&#8217;s becoming more popular.  It just so often feels box-ticking-y.  I think the Stewart Sustainable team do the best job at this sort of thing.</p>
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		By: chrisssyB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2021 09:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All the Baillie Gifford investment trusts are trading at premiums (apart from Keystone, on a small 2% discount) and have higher charges than their open-ended siblings.  So although I&#039;m a fan of closed-ended funds, for the BG range of ITs I struggle to see the investment case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the Baillie Gifford investment trusts are trading at premiums (apart from Keystone, on a small 2% discount) and have higher charges than their open-ended siblings.  So although I&#8217;m a fan of closed-ended funds, for the BG range of ITs I struggle to see the investment case.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 17:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5114&quot;&gt;Faris&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Faris, our family holdings are spread over a number of the major platforms but I&#039;d rather not list them out here. I think Vanguard is fine if you want a relatively low-cost way of just holding their funds and ETFs but you&#039;ll need another broker if you want to buy investment trusts and so on. 

Monevator&#039;s broker comparison table is the place I normally check to see how all the platforms compare on costs and main features: https://monevator.com/compare-uk-cheapest-online-brokers/

However, it&#039;s worth noting that we are still seeing a fair amount of consolidation, such as ii&#039;s purchase of EQi which is expected to take place this summer. So you could choose one broker only to see your account moved to another platform a short time later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5114">Faris</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Faris, our family holdings are spread over a number of the major platforms but I&#8217;d rather not list them out here. I think Vanguard is fine if you want a relatively low-cost way of just holding their funds and ETFs but you&#8217;ll need another broker if you want to buy investment trusts and so on. </p>
<p>Monevator&#8217;s broker comparison table is the place I normally check to see how all the platforms compare on costs and main features: <a href="https://monevator.com/compare-uk-cheapest-online-brokers/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://monevator.com/compare-uk-cheapest-online-brokers/</a></p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s worth noting that we are still seeing a fair amount of consolidation, such as ii&#8217;s purchase of EQi which is expected to take place this summer. So you could choose one broker only to see your account moved to another platform a short time later.</p>
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		By: Faris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Faris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, what platform do you use to invest? I&#039;m currently using Vanguard&#039;s platform, but I&#039;m unsatisfied with the lack of choice. Looking forward to hearing from you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, what platform do you use to invest? I&#8217;m currently using Vanguard&#8217;s platform, but I&#8217;m unsatisfied with the lack of choice. Looking forward to hearing from you.</p>
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		By: Phil D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 11:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes indeed, liquidity can become a real problem in falling markets, and not just for trusts, of course. I have my eyes wide open on this - 30 years as a private-client stockbroker was a good teacher!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed, liquidity can become a real problem in falling markets, and not just for trusts, of course. I have my eyes wide open on this &#8211; 30 years as a private-client stockbroker was a good teacher!</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 08:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5110&quot;&gt;Phil D&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Phil. Interesting to hear that about Schiehallion although I have found some trusts can be easy to buy but a lot harder to sell in an equivalent volume. Of course, ideally, you don&#039;t want to sell but it&#039;s useful to have an exit plan in case things don&#039;t pan out the way you expect. 

You can look at BG&#039;s 13-F disclosures in the US to get a feel for their largest holdings. This one allows you to sort by % held and you can see there are quite a few over 10%. Among KPC&#039;s big holdings, BG is in quite deep with Moderna and Illumina. 
https://whalewisdom.com/filer/baillie-gifford-co#tabholdings_tab_link]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/05/keystone-positive-change-profit-and-purpose/#comment-5110">Phil D</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Phil. Interesting to hear that about Schiehallion although I have found some trusts can be easy to buy but a lot harder to sell in an equivalent volume. Of course, ideally, you don&#8217;t want to sell but it&#8217;s useful to have an exit plan in case things don&#8217;t pan out the way you expect. </p>
<p>You can look at BG&#8217;s 13-F disclosures in the US to get a feel for their largest holdings. This one allows you to sort by % held and you can see there are quite a few over 10%. Among KPC&#8217;s big holdings, BG is in quite deep with Moderna and Illumina.<br />
<a href="https://whalewisdom.com/filer/baillie-gifford-co#tabholdings_tab_link" rel="nofollow ugc">https://whalewisdom.com/filer/baillie-gifford-co#tabholdings_tab_link</a></p>
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		By: Phil D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2021 20:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As usual a very useful review.
The pace of change following the move to BG is remarkable - the costs of trading alone will have had a measurable effect on performance in that first month. Shame about Pelton today. 
You comment on the overlap between the various BG fund holdings. When the much larger aggregate institutional mandates are taken into consideration there perhaps starts to be a potential issue of liquidity...... 
On Schiehallion, I bought some earlier this year and found no problem dealing in a reasonable size - to my pleasant surprise dealt well inside the quote. I suppose it depends on your definition of &quot;reasonable size&quot;. It is, though, in the &quot;specialist&quot; sector and so not available (or indeed appropriate) for all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual a very useful review.<br />
The pace of change following the move to BG is remarkable &#8211; the costs of trading alone will have had a measurable effect on performance in that first month. Shame about Pelton today.<br />
You comment on the overlap between the various BG fund holdings. When the much larger aggregate institutional mandates are taken into consideration there perhaps starts to be a potential issue of liquidity&#8230;&#8230;<br />
On Schiehallion, I bought some earlier this year and found no problem dealing in a reasonable size &#8211; to my pleasant surprise dealt well inside the quote. I suppose it depends on your definition of &#8220;reasonable size&#8221;. It is, though, in the &#8220;specialist&#8221; sector and so not available (or indeed appropriate) for all.</p>
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