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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-4706</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 09:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the sake of completeness, here is how 2020 turned out for RCP.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The preliminary, unaudited, diluted net asset value of RIT Capital Partners plc (the Company) as at 31 December 2020 (with debt at fair value) was 2,292p per £1 ordinary share (30 November 2020: 2,159p).

This represents an unaudited NAV per share total return (including dividends) of 16.4% for the year.  The 2020 NAV performance exceeded both of the Company&#039;s investment KPIs: RPI+3.0% of 4.2% and the MSCI All Countries World Index (50% Sterling) of 12.7%.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Very decent in the circumstances and now at a 7% discount to its December 2020 NAV. Doubt it will regain its premium rating anytime soon but am happy to continue holding. Might trim my position a little bit for CGT purposes as part of a wider tidying-up exercise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the sake of completeness, here is how 2020 turned out for RCP.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The preliminary, unaudited, diluted net asset value of RIT Capital Partners plc (the Company) as at 31 December 2020 (with debt at fair value) was 2,292p per £1 ordinary share (30 November 2020: 2,159p).</p>
<p>This represents an unaudited NAV per share total return (including dividends) of 16.4% for the year.  The 2020 NAV performance exceeded both of the Company&#8217;s investment KPIs: RPI+3.0% of 4.2% and the MSCI All Countries World Index (50% Sterling) of 12.7%.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Very decent in the circumstances and now at a 7% discount to its December 2020 NAV. Doubt it will regain its premium rating anytime soon but am happy to continue holding. Might trim my position a little bit for CGT purposes as part of a wider tidying-up exercise.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-2306</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to update this with the March 2020 NAV that was published this morning. It was 1,798p before the deduction of an interim dividend of 17.5p due to be paid on 30 April.

The share price on 31 March was 1,806p so the effective premium then was 0.5%. 

Global markets have rebounded 5% in April so far, so if we assume RIT has increased by 4%, its NAV now would be 1,870p versus 1,841.5p for the share price last night plus the dividend due at the end of the month. A discount of 1.5% therefore, but that&#039;s a rough guess at best.

I make RIT&#039;s NAV decline in Q1 2020 as 10.3%. The MSCI World GBP was down 15.5%, so RIT avoided a third of the downward move in markets.

So some downside protection but not as much as claimed in the recent annual reports.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to update this with the March 2020 NAV that was published this morning. It was 1,798p before the deduction of an interim dividend of 17.5p due to be paid on 30 April.</p>
<p>The share price on 31 March was 1,806p so the effective premium then was 0.5%. </p>
<p>Global markets have rebounded 5% in April so far, so if we assume RIT has increased by 4%, its NAV now would be 1,870p versus 1,841.5p for the share price last night plus the dividend due at the end of the month. A discount of 1.5% therefore, but that&#8217;s a rough guess at best.</p>
<p>I make RIT&#8217;s NAV decline in Q1 2020 as 10.3%. The MSCI World GBP was down 15.5%, so RIT avoided a third of the downward move in markets.</p>
<p>So some downside protection but not as much as claimed in the recent annual reports.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-2293</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-2292&quot;&gt;Tom&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Tom. Flip-flopping on major calls would be a concern but I haven&#039;t seen any particular signs of that either. Perhaps it isn&#039;t that surprising that the approach has become more conservative in recent years, with the change at the top utmost in their minds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-2292">Tom</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Tom. Flip-flopping on major calls would be a concern but I haven&#8217;t seen any particular signs of that either. Perhaps it isn&#8217;t that surprising that the approach has become more conservative in recent years, with the change at the top utmost in their minds.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I went through RCPs chaiman&#039;s statements and what stuck out was how they were prepared to make macro calls about market levels, regions, currencies etc. and stick to them for a number of years. For example they&#039;ve been defensively positioned for some time now because of overvalued equity markets. I have no problem with skilful underperformance like this (same applies to Berkshire Hathaway) so I topped up my holding when HL was showing them at a 20% discount to NAV. Whilst I share your concerns about management changes I bear in mind that the Rothschilds have 250 years of experience in their blood rather than the couple of decades of most top fund managers.

Keep up the good work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went through RCPs chaiman&#8217;s statements and what stuck out was how they were prepared to make macro calls about market levels, regions, currencies etc. and stick to them for a number of years. For example they&#8217;ve been defensively positioned for some time now because of overvalued equity markets. I have no problem with skilful underperformance like this (same applies to Berkshire Hathaway) so I topped up my holding when HL was showing them at a 20% discount to NAV. Whilst I share your concerns about management changes I bear in mind that the Rothschilds have 250 years of experience in their blood rather than the couple of decades of most top fund managers.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2020 14:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-2288&quot;&gt;tom_grlla&lt;/a&gt;.

@tom_grlla

Nothing from MS since my initial contact but I suspect he&#039;s pretty busy so I wasn&#039;t too fussed about chasing it up! The buying and selling confused me a little as well, at it&#039;s pretty unusual for the manager to run his own discount control policy rather than the trust itself! It looks like Kepler are planning a research note on MNL fairly soon, so that may shed some light on the workings behind the scenes.

Difficult to know how the trust will fare without his founder. They were obviously working on the succession for a long time so you would think they looked at aspects like maintaining contacts. And the family continue to be big holders. For me, the funds and the lack of visibility into what they actually hold make it difficult to gauge what&#039;s really going on. So it requires more trust (sic) than usual to keep holding.

@Nigel

Glad you found the article useful. To be fair to both Caledonia and RIT, the share price reaction is somewhat out of their control and we&#039;ll need to see how the NAVs fare over the next few months to see how defensive they have been in this particular instance. SMT&#039;s focus on big tech, which has held up better than most this year, has no doubt been a help. 

But you&#039;re right to highlight the uncertainty over part of their NAV. Caledonia has written down its leisure holdings, which have been most affected by the shutdown, but seem to be holding back on writing down everything else on valuation grounds. Given they would typically hold these private investments for several years, and many of them are fairly recent purchases, I&#039;m prepared to cut them a little slack for a while. Their final results in May should add some more colour.

Interesting times ... unfortunately!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/04/rit-capital-partners/#comment-2288">tom_grlla</a>.</p>
<p>@tom_grlla</p>
<p>Nothing from MS since my initial contact but I suspect he&#8217;s pretty busy so I wasn&#8217;t too fussed about chasing it up! The buying and selling confused me a little as well, at it&#8217;s pretty unusual for the manager to run his own discount control policy rather than the trust itself! It looks like Kepler are planning a research note on MNL fairly soon, so that may shed some light on the workings behind the scenes.</p>
<p>Difficult to know how the trust will fare without his founder. They were obviously working on the succession for a long time so you would think they looked at aspects like maintaining contacts. And the family continue to be big holders. For me, the funds and the lack of visibility into what they actually hold make it difficult to gauge what&#8217;s really going on. So it requires more trust (sic) than usual to keep holding.</p>
<p>@Nigel</p>
<p>Glad you found the article useful. To be fair to both Caledonia and RIT, the share price reaction is somewhat out of their control and we&#8217;ll need to see how the NAVs fare over the next few months to see how defensive they have been in this particular instance. SMT&#8217;s focus on big tech, which has held up better than most this year, has no doubt been a help. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right to highlight the uncertainty over part of their NAV. Caledonia has written down its leisure holdings, which have been most affected by the shutdown, but seem to be holding back on writing down everything else on valuation grounds. Given they would typically hold these private investments for several years, and many of them are fairly recent purchases, I&#8217;m prepared to cut them a little slack for a while. Their final results in May should add some more colour.</p>
<p>Interesting times &#8230; unfortunately!</p>
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		By: Nigel Maggs		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2020 13:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your article on RIT Capital Partners was for me timely. I used to subscribe to &#039;Money Week&#039; and following  Merryn Somerset Webb&#039;s  IT recommendations I invested in - SMT, RCP,and CLDN. The latter two hardly justify their defensive qualities although they have recovered somewhat recently, whereas SMT never claiming to be defensive has out shined both of them. My concern with all three is  how they establish their NAV. All three invest in unquoted stocks, private investments, private equity and the like and it is the NAV which is supporting the stock price.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article on RIT Capital Partners was for me timely. I used to subscribe to &#8216;Money Week&#8217; and following  Merryn Somerset Webb&#8217;s  IT recommendations I invested in &#8211; SMT, RCP,and CLDN. The latter two hardly justify their defensive qualities although they have recovered somewhat recently, whereas SMT never claiming to be defensive has out shined both of them. My concern with all three is  how they establish their NAV. All three invest in unquoted stocks, private investments, private equity and the like and it is the NAV which is supporting the stock price.</p>
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		By: tom_grlla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2020 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know this is the wrong post, but I wondered if you&#039;d heard more about MNL from MS.  I find the portfolio fascinating, but the Annual Report is far too brief (especially from the Chairman!) and I have no sense of how the deal with the Subscription for shares works, followed by the Manager selling a load of shares.  Creating liquidity was mentioned, but I haven&#039;t seen any explanation of it.  So basically I have major governance concerns, which is a shame.

RIT - I suspect performance will gently decline now that Jacob R is off the board - I think he&#039;s hard to replace, both for his mind and his contacts.

I don&#039;t have a problem with the external funds generally, as they tend to be the sort that &#039;normal&#039; investors can&#039;t access, ditto the private equity deals - I think you have to think of it as a way of accessing the parts other funds can&#039;t reach...

However I still don&#039;t have a sense of how to evaluate Ron Tabbouche, whereas Mickey Breuer-Weil always had a good reputation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is the wrong post, but I wondered if you&#8217;d heard more about MNL from MS.  I find the portfolio fascinating, but the Annual Report is far too brief (especially from the Chairman!) and I have no sense of how the deal with the Subscription for shares works, followed by the Manager selling a load of shares.  Creating liquidity was mentioned, but I haven&#8217;t seen any explanation of it.  So basically I have major governance concerns, which is a shame.</p>
<p>RIT &#8211; I suspect performance will gently decline now that Jacob R is off the board &#8211; I think he&#8217;s hard to replace, both for his mind and his contacts.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with the external funds generally, as they tend to be the sort that &#8216;normal&#8217; investors can&#8217;t access, ditto the private equity deals &#8211; I think you have to think of it as a way of accessing the parts other funds can&#8217;t reach&#8230;</p>
<p>However I still don&#8217;t have a sense of how to evaluate Ron Tabbouche, whereas Mickey Breuer-Weil always had a good reputation.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 10:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And the shares rise 10% on the date I publish this, zapping my argument somewhat!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the shares rise 10% on the date I publish this, zapping my argument somewhat!</p>
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