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		By: Lyndon Richards		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyndon Richards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great summary.... Affirm is certainly paying off for them now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary&#8230;. Affirm is certainly paying off for them now.</p>
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		By: MR CY A KEOGH		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MR CY A KEOGH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the excellent summary on MNTN and MNTC. It can be bought on the IG platform]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent summary on MNTN and MNTC. It can be bought on the IG platform</p>
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		By: tom_grlla		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom_grlla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More thoughts/comments:
1: Oscar Health down 30% from IPO opening in 4 months!
2: Zymergen&#039;s flat, which is fine.
3: Still frustratingly opaque, given we don&#039;t know what their cost was e.g. are they still showing a gain on Oscar Health?
4: I have no sense how they intend to handle portfolio management with the listed holdings as more are IPOed.  I see that they are getting access to good investments, but not that they know how to construct/manage a portfolio.
5: Also unaddressed I think is how many holdings the portfolio has if they keep investing, but also don&#039;t sell the listed stuff.
6: Personally I&#039;d love it if Stripe, Bytedance, SpaceX and Epic (for example) became 50-60% of the portfolio in time, if they keep fulfilling their potential, but I can&#039;t imagine BG would tolerate that level of concentration.
I still love having a chunk of some of the big guns, but I am starting to think I have NO idea of what the fund will look like in 5-10 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More thoughts/comments:<br />
1: Oscar Health down 30% from IPO opening in 4 months!<br />
2: Zymergen&#8217;s flat, which is fine.<br />
3: Still frustratingly opaque, given we don&#8217;t know what their cost was e.g. are they still showing a gain on Oscar Health?<br />
4: I have no sense how they intend to handle portfolio management with the listed holdings as more are IPOed.  I see that they are getting access to good investments, but not that they know how to construct/manage a portfolio.<br />
5: Also unaddressed I think is how many holdings the portfolio has if they keep investing, but also don&#8217;t sell the listed stuff.<br />
6: Personally I&#8217;d love it if Stripe, Bytedance, SpaceX and Epic (for example) became 50-60% of the portfolio in time, if they keep fulfilling their potential, but I can&#8217;t imagine BG would tolerate that level of concentration.<br />
I still love having a chunk of some of the big guns, but I am starting to think I have NO idea of what the fund will look like in 5-10 years.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2021 16:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Tom. I guess that as Affirm was the second company to IPO selling out straight away might have hurt the image as long-term holders they want to portray!

SMT had more in Airbnb, I think, so the small stake that MNTN had may have been down to the fact it wasn&#039;t created when the major fundraisings for this company took place.

BG do seem to have been fairly late to the party with Stripe, Bytedance and SpaceX though, investing in late 2018 and early 2019. But, as you say, it&#039;s not easy to get on the guest list!

I&#039;d definitely recommend the podcast with Peter Singlehurst that I linked to in the manager section. All BG&#039;s managers seem to be well trained on the media front but it rounded out the thinking behind the trust nicely from my point of view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tom. I guess that as Affirm was the second company to IPO selling out straight away might have hurt the image as long-term holders they want to portray!</p>
<p>SMT had more in Airbnb, I think, so the small stake that MNTN had may have been down to the fact it wasn&#8217;t created when the major fundraisings for this company took place.</p>
<p>BG do seem to have been fairly late to the party with Stripe, Bytedance and SpaceX though, investing in late 2018 and early 2019. But, as you say, it&#8217;s not easy to get on the guest list!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d definitely recommend the podcast with Peter Singlehurst that I linked to in the manager section. All BG&#8217;s managers seem to be well trained on the media front but it rounded out the thinking behind the trust nicely from my point of view.</p>
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		By: tom_grlla		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom_grlla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2021 12:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is great - I did a fair bit of work on this, but you&#039;ve done more!  It&#039;s prompted more thoughts - will have to work on getting them down here.  Here&#039;s a start.

Basically a lot of the portfolio looks decent, and it&#039;s a pretty unique way for punters to access companies like these (and for cheaper fees than Endowments).  

However I still think BG have questionable taste sometimes e.g. Allbirds - can&#039;t really see that changing the world.

Also their whole pitch of saying they #neversell can be problematic e.g. Affirm - when things like this IPO at silly valuations, it seems to make sense to sell down &#038; wait for a better entry point (if you still believe in it - I&#039;m not sure about BNPL myself).  As it is, they had 11% of it, and it&#039;s down about 50% since IPO.  So that&#039;s not great.

Also frustratingly AirBnB, which seems pretty blue chip compared with Affirm, was a smaller position, wasn&#039;t added to, &#038; has shot up.  I&#039;ll give them the benefit of the doubt &#038; concede this may be easier to say with hindsight.

So anyway, I have some questions about the skill of the management team.  

I&#039;m sure I&#039;m being unfair but, if you have access to the management, it&#039;s not exactly rocket science buying shares in Stripe, Space X and Bytedance at this stage.  It&#039;s just that the rest of us can&#039;t.

I want to believe that some nice, quite normal-seeming Brits can compete with the completely Alien VC Silicon-Valley types like Andreesen, and NY&#039;s Tiger Global etc. But... I don&#039;t, yet.

On balance, there seem more interesting companies than not, and so hopefully over the long run, this will do well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great &#8211; I did a fair bit of work on this, but you&#8217;ve done more!  It&#8217;s prompted more thoughts &#8211; will have to work on getting them down here.  Here&#8217;s a start.</p>
<p>Basically a lot of the portfolio looks decent, and it&#8217;s a pretty unique way for punters to access companies like these (and for cheaper fees than Endowments).  </p>
<p>However I still think BG have questionable taste sometimes e.g. Allbirds &#8211; can&#8217;t really see that changing the world.</p>
<p>Also their whole pitch of saying they #neversell can be problematic e.g. Affirm &#8211; when things like this IPO at silly valuations, it seems to make sense to sell down &amp; wait for a better entry point (if you still believe in it &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure about BNPL myself).  As it is, they had 11% of it, and it&#8217;s down about 50% since IPO.  So that&#8217;s not great.</p>
<p>Also frustratingly AirBnB, which seems pretty blue chip compared with Affirm, was a smaller position, wasn&#8217;t added to, &amp; has shot up.  I&#8217;ll give them the benefit of the doubt &amp; concede this may be easier to say with hindsight.</p>
<p>So anyway, I have some questions about the skill of the management team.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m being unfair but, if you have access to the management, it&#8217;s not exactly rocket science buying shares in Stripe, Space X and Bytedance at this stage.  It&#8217;s just that the rest of us can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I want to believe that some nice, quite normal-seeming Brits can compete with the completely Alien VC Silicon-Valley types like Andreesen, and NY&#8217;s Tiger Global etc. But&#8230; I don&#8217;t, yet.</p>
<p>On balance, there seem more interesting companies than not, and so hopefully over the long run, this will do well.</p>
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		By: Kal		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5334</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 06:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks ITi for the great article on MNTN and your other work. Been following MNTN for a while now but difficult to find out too much information on it (as you mention - the monthly portfolio update is useful from the BG website).Looks like it will have some chunky IPOs later in the year (Stripe, Wise etc).

I&#039;ve heard you can purchase MNTN on HL, II and AJBell but you need to complete a Sophisticated Investor form before they will allow you to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks ITi for the great article on MNTN and your other work. Been following MNTN for a while now but difficult to find out too much information on it (as you mention &#8211; the monthly portfolio update is useful from the BG website).Looks like it will have some chunky IPOs later in the year (Stripe, Wise etc).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard you can purchase MNTN on HL, II and AJBell but you need to complete a Sophisticated Investor form before they will allow you to do so.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5331</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 08:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5330&quot;&gt;BuildBackBetter&lt;/a&gt;.

@BBB, that&#039;s odd re: HL. Maybe it&#039;s one of those stocks where you have to jump through a few extra hoops to be able to deal. Some brokers require extra forms to be filled and others will let you deal but only over the phone.

I think SMT has been focussing on China for a little while now (there were early investors in Alibaba for example) but as the Chinese market has done so well recently it&#039;s now getting more attention and has become a bigger part of the portfolio. But it&#039;s certainly a marmite region when it comes to investing.

BG US Growth is a trust I aim to look at in the next few months. I may look at BG China Growth, too. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5330">BuildBackBetter</a>.</p>
<p>@BBB, that&#8217;s odd re: HL. Maybe it&#8217;s one of those stocks where you have to jump through a few extra hoops to be able to deal. Some brokers require extra forms to be filled and others will let you deal but only over the phone.</p>
<p>I think SMT has been focussing on China for a little while now (there were early investors in Alibaba for example) but as the Chinese market has done so well recently it&#8217;s now getting more attention and has become a bigger part of the portfolio. But it&#8217;s certainly a marmite region when it comes to investing.</p>
<p>BG US Growth is a trust I aim to look at in the next few months. I may look at BG China Growth, too. </p>
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		By: BuildBackBetter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BuildBackBetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MNTN doesn’t seem to be tradeable on HL yet, even though the ticker is visible. 
Would like a review of BG US trust. How similar is it to SMT and is there a difference in strategy? Not happy with SMT’s sudden and heavy tilt towards China.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MNTN doesn’t seem to be tradeable on HL yet, even though the ticker is visible.<br />
Would like a review of BG US trust. How similar is it to SMT and is there a difference in strategy? Not happy with SMT’s sudden and heavy tilt towards China.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 09:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5324&quot;&gt;The Bearded General&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the heads up about the wrong link - that should work now.

There was a little more overlap with SMT than I expected but then it was the testing bed for this strategy in some ways so perhaps we shouldn&#039;t be too surprised. 

I think there are 21 SMT unlisted investments that aren&#039;t in Schiehallion (many of which I would guess SMT bought before MNTN existed) and I would expect the two portfolios to will become less similar over time. The overlaps that currently exist only make up about 13% of the SMT portfolio.

MNTN seems to be available on both HL and II, at least that&#039;s what the quote pages on each site seem to indicate. Only MTNC comes up for me on EQi though. It doesn&#039;t seem to come up on Halifax Share Dealing so I suspect it won&#039;t be on iWeb or Lloyds as I think Halifax operates the back-end for both of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/06/the-schiehallion-fund-early-and-patient/#comment-5324">The Bearded General</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up about the wrong link &#8211; that should work now.</p>
<p>There was a little more overlap with SMT than I expected but then it was the testing bed for this strategy in some ways so perhaps we shouldn&#8217;t be too surprised. </p>
<p>I think there are 21 SMT unlisted investments that aren&#8217;t in Schiehallion (many of which I would guess SMT bought before MNTN existed) and I would expect the two portfolios to will become less similar over time. The overlaps that currently exist only make up about 13% of the SMT portfolio.</p>
<p>MNTN seems to be available on both HL and II, at least that&#8217;s what the quote pages on each site seem to indicate. Only MTNC comes up for me on EQi though. It doesn&#8217;t seem to come up on Halifax Share Dealing so I suspect it won&#8217;t be on iWeb or Lloyds as I think Halifax operates the back-end for both of them.</p>
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