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		By: Henry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2021 05:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, I used to have a similar strategy using an index tracker as a core position adding various investment trusts in different sectors as &quot;satellite&quot; holdings. The problem was I found myself adding more and more IT&#039;s over time as numerous trusts looked good wanting to stick my fingers in loads of different pies. That all changed when I discovered crypto a few years ago and ever since I&#039;ve not looked at traditional finance in the same way. It&#039;s difficult to get excited by say a 30% return on an IT when 300% in crypto is not uncommon. Of course the swings work in both ways and there is possibility of 50-80% drawdowns which I&#039;ve experienced. But this volatility I think has made me a better investor. Or at least I like to think so. Others may view me as a hardcore gambler! Thankfully I&#039;ve done alright out of the sector, and am now returning to IT as a way to diversify some of my investments. Good luck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I used to have a similar strategy using an index tracker as a core position adding various investment trusts in different sectors as &#8220;satellite&#8221; holdings. The problem was I found myself adding more and more IT&#8217;s over time as numerous trusts looked good wanting to stick my fingers in loads of different pies. That all changed when I discovered crypto a few years ago and ever since I&#8217;ve not looked at traditional finance in the same way. It&#8217;s difficult to get excited by say a 30% return on an IT when 300% in crypto is not uncommon. Of course the swings work in both ways and there is possibility of 50-80% drawdowns which I&#8217;ve experienced. But this volatility I think has made me a better investor. Or at least I like to think so. Others may view me as a hardcore gambler! Thankfully I&#8217;ve done alright out of the sector, and am now returning to IT as a way to diversify some of my investments. Good luck!</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2021 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/04/q1-2021-rotation-rotation-rotation/#comment-5337&quot;&gt;Henry&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Henry, I prefer not to disclose individual position sizes so let&#039;s just say it&#039;s one of my larger global holdings although it&#039;s not my largest.

I would agree that the number of holdings is a factor in my performance being fairly similar to world indices however that&#039;s somewhat by design. I&#039;m happy taking a little extra risk but, given it&#039;s essentially a retirement fund, I don&#039;t want to get too aggressive either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/04/q1-2021-rotation-rotation-rotation/#comment-5337">Henry</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Henry, I prefer not to disclose individual position sizes so let&#8217;s just say it&#8217;s one of my larger global holdings although it&#8217;s not my largest.</p>
<p>I would agree that the number of holdings is a factor in my performance being fairly similar to world indices however that&#8217;s somewhat by design. I&#8217;m happy taking a little extra risk but, given it&#8217;s essentially a retirement fund, I don&#8217;t want to get too aggressive either.</p>
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		By: Henry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What percentage allocation do you hold for the Vanguard All-World ETF?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What percentage allocation do you hold for the Vanguard All-World ETF?</p>
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		By: Henry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 21:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the large number of holdings may be a contributing factor to index tracker like performance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the large number of holdings may be a contributing factor to index tracker like performance.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 10:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/04/q1-2021-rotation-rotation-rotation/#comment-5054&quot;&gt;TC&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, certainly tough to beat trackers over extended periods and measuring your performance can be a major challenge in itself.

On the cost front, though, I am including more in the way of costs for the trusts/funds that I actually hold than for the notional trackers I am comparing them against. So, I don&#039;t think the trackers would be ahead, not yet at least!

For the trusts/funds, I&#039;m using closing prices so this reflects any underlying management charges and other costs that are paid from within those vehicles. Ditto by using closing prices for the trackers. 

With my actual holdings, as I am using the cash and stock value in my accounts, I&#039;m including any holding costs I have to pay to my broker and any dealing costs I incur along the way when I trade.

However, I am not including any equivalent real-world holding costs for the tracker funds. They would vary depending on which broker I used to hold them and might be just £120pa with II, for example, but substantially higher if I used Vanguard&#039;s own service (0.15%) or someone like AJ Bell or HL. 

This was an existing portfolio, so I am not assuming I bought it all on 1 Jan 2018 or that I am selling it in its entirety to get the latest value (I&#039;m likely to sell it piecemeal over a few decades and any disposal costs will get counted as they are incurred). 

Lastly, I&#039;m using pre-tax figures in both cases, so assuming no income tax is due on dividends or CGT on disposals. In reality, I have incurred some of the former (and would have incurred a similar amount if I held the tracker in a real-life account) but none of the latter over the last few years. 

If I incur any significant tax costs then I may need to revisit this but it keeps things simpler in the meantime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/04/q1-2021-rotation-rotation-rotation/#comment-5054">TC</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, certainly tough to beat trackers over extended periods and measuring your performance can be a major challenge in itself.</p>
<p>On the cost front, though, I am including more in the way of costs for the trusts/funds that I actually hold than for the notional trackers I am comparing them against. So, I don&#8217;t think the trackers would be ahead, not yet at least!</p>
<p>For the trusts/funds, I&#8217;m using closing prices so this reflects any underlying management charges and other costs that are paid from within those vehicles. Ditto by using closing prices for the trackers. </p>
<p>With my actual holdings, as I am using the cash and stock value in my accounts, I&#8217;m including any holding costs I have to pay to my broker and any dealing costs I incur along the way when I trade.</p>
<p>However, I am not including any equivalent real-world holding costs for the tracker funds. They would vary depending on which broker I used to hold them and might be just £120pa with II, for example, but substantially higher if I used Vanguard&#8217;s own service (0.15%) or someone like AJ Bell or HL. </p>
<p>This was an existing portfolio, so I am not assuming I bought it all on 1 Jan 2018 or that I am selling it in its entirety to get the latest value (I&#8217;m likely to sell it piecemeal over a few decades and any disposal costs will get counted as they are incurred). </p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;m using pre-tax figures in both cases, so assuming no income tax is due on dividends or CGT on disposals. In reality, I have incurred some of the former (and would have incurred a similar amount if I held the tracker in a real-life account) but none of the latter over the last few years. </p>
<p>If I incur any significant tax costs then I may need to revisit this but it keeps things simpler in the meantime.</p>
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		By: TC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting to see you have fallen back in line with the global tracker. When you factor in the costs of Trusts versus a tracker, I imagine the global tracker is actually ahead of you? I think a lot of people under estimate the impact of costs on long term performance and is one of the reasons actively managed funds rarely beat it over the long term.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see you have fallen back in line with the global tracker. When you factor in the costs of Trusts versus a tracker, I imagine the global tracker is actually ahead of you? I think a lot of people under estimate the impact of costs on long term performance and is one of the reasons actively managed funds rarely beat it over the long term.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2021 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/04/q1-2021-rotation-rotation-rotation/#comment-4956&quot;&gt;The Investor&lt;/a&gt;.

@The Investor - Yes, it&#039;s a lot tougher to beat over the long term than many people think, especially those who haven&#039;t been investing that long. It&#039;s been good to see a few managers explicitly calling out just how exceptional the last 12 months have been, helping to moderate investor expectations. 

Hansa was one I looked at briefly a long time ago, probably around the same time I ended up buying Caledonia (and I had RCP already). I can&#039;t remember what put me off adding it to my portfolio, but I suspect it may have been the sheer size of the Ocean Wilsons position at the time.

I kind of think of RCP as still being a discount as they flagged in early March that the NAV post the Coupang IPO was nearly £2 higher than the 2,316p they announced for the end of February. With the volatility that we&#039;ve seen over the last year, these monthly NAV updates seem outdated before they are even published.

@J - I think something similar probably helped me hold onto RCP over the last few years. With the size of CLDN&#039;s reserves, it should have little trouble continuing to add to its record of dividend increases, so it&#039;s definitely worth considering for those who want to put more emphasis on a rising income. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2021/04/q1-2021-rotation-rotation-rotation/#comment-4956">The Investor</a>.</p>
<p>@The Investor &#8211; Yes, it&#8217;s a lot tougher to beat over the long term than many people think, especially those who haven&#8217;t been investing that long. It&#8217;s been good to see a few managers explicitly calling out just how exceptional the last 12 months have been, helping to moderate investor expectations. </p>
<p>Hansa was one I looked at briefly a long time ago, probably around the same time I ended up buying Caledonia (and I had RCP already). I can&#8217;t remember what put me off adding it to my portfolio, but I suspect it may have been the sheer size of the Ocean Wilsons position at the time.</p>
<p>I kind of think of RCP as still being a discount as they flagged in early March that the NAV post the Coupang IPO was nearly £2 higher than the 2,316p they announced for the end of February. With the volatility that we&#8217;ve seen over the last year, these monthly NAV updates seem outdated before they are even published.</p>
<p>@J &#8211; I think something similar probably helped me hold onto RCP over the last few years. With the size of CLDN&#8217;s reserves, it should have little trouble continuing to add to its record of dividend increases, so it&#8217;s definitely worth considering for those who want to put more emphasis on a rising income. </p>
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		By: J		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2021 04:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I could not get rid of Caledonia not just as it was one of my first IT holdings 30 years ago but also I feel the PE side has something different to my other regular holdings.  I added it for my children too as I just like the family money feel so I also have RIT and Brunner. 

I have 5 years before retirement so its safety first and Im increasingly thinking of income.  Looking back I should have stuck more with ITs rather than various dalliances with funds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not get rid of Caledonia not just as it was one of my first IT holdings 30 years ago but also I feel the PE side has something different to my other regular holdings.  I added it for my children too as I just like the family money feel so I also have RIT and Brunner. </p>
<p>I have 5 years before retirement so its safety first and Im increasingly thinking of income.  Looking back I should have stuck more with ITs rather than various dalliances with funds.</p>
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		By: The Investor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2021 21:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The global tracker is a fearsome opponent, and of course you&#039;re right to measure against it. 2020 enabled me to open up some clear water with it again over the longer-term, but the thing is already inching ahead YTD in 2021. (This is why my co-blogger always appears so well-rested, while I read company reports at midnight by candlelight to save electricity!) I cling to the belief that reinforced UK/£ home bias will help against VRWL someday soon, but we&#039;ll see.

I think we&#039;ve all dallied in Caledonia from time to time. And Hansa. Big discounts that rarely seem to really close much. But I do think you undersell the RIT narrowing, if you don&#039;t mind me saying. :) It&#039;s gone from a double-digit discount to a premium of 6% – so a &#039;free&#039; 15% move on top of NAV. :) Happy days, and there was even time to buy after the Coupang news. (I know, because I re-upped on that RNS after stupidly and impatiently selling it shortly before!)

p.s. Thanks for the link!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The global tracker is a fearsome opponent, and of course you&#8217;re right to measure against it. 2020 enabled me to open up some clear water with it again over the longer-term, but the thing is already inching ahead YTD in 2021. (This is why my co-blogger always appears so well-rested, while I read company reports at midnight by candlelight to save electricity!) I cling to the belief that reinforced UK/£ home bias will help against VRWL someday soon, but we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve all dallied in Caledonia from time to time. And Hansa. Big discounts that rarely seem to really close much. But I do think you undersell the RIT narrowing, if you don&#8217;t mind me saying. 🙂 It&#8217;s gone from a double-digit discount to a premium of 6% – so a &#8216;free&#8217; 15% move on top of NAV. 🙂 Happy days, and there was even time to buy after the Coupang news. (I know, because I re-upped on that RNS after stupidly and impatiently selling it shortly before!)</p>
<p>p.s. Thanks for the link!</p>
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