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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-4832</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2021 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-4830&quot;&gt;Jack&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jack. I kind of stumbled across it, if memory serves, on the Link Fund Solutions website: https://www.linkfundsolutions.co.uk/541.cshtml

If you scroll down to the &#039;Select Fund Group&#039; drop-down menu you should see it listed under &#039;LF Blue Whale&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-4830">Jack</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jack. I kind of stumbled across it, if memory serves, on the Link Fund Solutions website: <a href="https://www.linkfundsolutions.co.uk/541.cshtml" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.linkfundsolutions.co.uk/541.cshtml</a></p>
<p>If you scroll down to the &#8216;Select Fund Group&#8217; drop-down menu you should see it listed under &#8216;LF Blue Whale&#8217;</p>
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		By: Jack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2021 17:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi IT Investor, many thanks for your write up - can you just show where you found their annual report? Will be interesting to track their holdings over time]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi IT Investor, many thanks for your write up &#8211; can you just show where you found their annual report? Will be interesting to track their holdings over time</p>
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		By: NVen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NVen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having recently found this blog, have enjoyed reading back many of the posts. On the global front I had chance recently to review my global fund exposure (moving from HL to II I had to sell my LTG as II don&#039;t do the same fund class as II).  I had a look around and have taken a punt on T.Rowe Global Focused due it is top performance. I heavy in BG through SMT and Positive Change so wanted an alternative.  It has even been beating Bluewhale, plus the fees are at bit smaller which always help.  I like the look of the core holding, and how they talk about how they built a covid playbook at the beginning of the year and positioned the portfolio to be a good place during a large scale outbreak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having recently found this blog, have enjoyed reading back many of the posts. On the global front I had chance recently to review my global fund exposure (moving from HL to II I had to sell my LTG as II don&#8217;t do the same fund class as II).  I had a look around and have taken a punt on T.Rowe Global Focused due it is top performance. I heavy in BG through SMT and Positive Change so wanted an alternative.  It has even been beating Bluewhale, plus the fees are at bit smaller which always help.  I like the look of the core holding, and how they talk about how they built a covid playbook at the beginning of the year and positioned the portfolio to be a good place during a large scale outbreak.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good spot re: Hargreaves Jnr, Tom. I hadn&#039;t really thought of it as a JV to be honest. My impression is that Hargreaves is hands-off when it comes to the day-to-day stuff. I think he is 73 and obviously has a number of other plates to spin.

Shopify has been an amazing story - just over $40 as recently as the end of 2016 and I think it touched $1,000 earlier today.  But that makes the valuation $120bn versus forecast sales of $2.2bn for 2020!

Although I&#039;m still kicking myself about not buying some dedicated biotech and tech over the last year or two, I share that fear of jumping in at a bad moment. 

I think 5 BG funds and 4 BG trusts have returned more than 30% this year - that&#039;s out of a total of 34 equity funds and trusts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good spot re: Hargreaves Jnr, Tom. I hadn&#8217;t really thought of it as a JV to be honest. My impression is that Hargreaves is hands-off when it comes to the day-to-day stuff. I think he is 73 and obviously has a number of other plates to spin.</p>
<p>Shopify has been an amazing story &#8211; just over $40 as recently as the end of 2016 and I think it touched $1,000 earlier today.  But that makes the valuation $120bn versus forecast sales of $2.2bn for 2020!</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m still kicking myself about not buying some dedicated biotech and tech over the last year or two, I share that fear of jumping in at a bad moment. </p>
<p>I think 5 BG funds and 4 BG trusts have returned more than 30% this year &#8211; that&#8217;s out of a total of 34 equity funds and trusts.</p>
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		By: tom_grlla		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2818</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tom_grlla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2020 16:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I continue to wrestle with Blue Whale.  I am keen to find a fund that is more US and tech-tilted than Fundsmith and Lindsell Train, and Blue Whale seems a good candidate.

But some question marks remain.  I&#039;m not crazy about the turnover - it&#039;s hard to see evidence that they&#039;re any good at it.  It&#039;s laudable to want to be #1, but I&#039;d prefer it to be backed up with a more set-in-stone investment philosophy.

Finally, arguably the obvious benchmark is the NASDAQ 100, and it has failed to beat this.  Perhaps this is because NASDAQ is in a colossal bubble!

On the other hand, the portfolio is full of very high quality companies - I like the fact that many of the holdings are shared with Findlay Park, who are one of my benchmarks for US quality.

While the &#039;Baillie Gifford style&#039; has shot the lights out this year, I&#039;m still a little sceptical of the valuations.  I&#039;m sure there are one or two future Amazons in there, but I suspect there are more Pets.com.   And a good business (as it&#039;s becoming clearer that companies like Shopify are going forward) is not necessarily a good investment.   Or to put it another way, I&#039;m not convinced of the sustainability of the earnings and share price gains.

In addition, my experience has been that joint ventures like Blue Whale tend to not work - it&#039;s good that Yiu has a stake, but it&#039;s still not really &#039;his&#039;.  Hargreave is in charge, and I note that Hargreave&#039;s son is in charge of the PR/Marketing, which could be a positive or a negative depending on further facts.

If I&#039;m honest, I think overall I consider Blue Whale as an ETF proxy - it&#039;s quite useful to provide exposure to quality large-cap US tech, in the absence of a great fund where one really has total faith in the alignment and fiduciary duty of the managers.  I suppose I still view Manchester &#038; London similarly, though with added liquidity issues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to wrestle with Blue Whale.  I am keen to find a fund that is more US and tech-tilted than Fundsmith and Lindsell Train, and Blue Whale seems a good candidate.</p>
<p>But some question marks remain.  I&#8217;m not crazy about the turnover &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to see evidence that they&#8217;re any good at it.  It&#8217;s laudable to want to be #1, but I&#8217;d prefer it to be backed up with a more set-in-stone investment philosophy.</p>
<p>Finally, arguably the obvious benchmark is the NASDAQ 100, and it has failed to beat this.  Perhaps this is because NASDAQ is in a colossal bubble!</p>
<p>On the other hand, the portfolio is full of very high quality companies &#8211; I like the fact that many of the holdings are shared with Findlay Park, who are one of my benchmarks for US quality.</p>
<p>While the &#8216;Baillie Gifford style&#8217; has shot the lights out this year, I&#8217;m still a little sceptical of the valuations.  I&#8217;m sure there are one or two future Amazons in there, but I suspect there are more Pets.com.   And a good business (as it&#8217;s becoming clearer that companies like Shopify are going forward) is not necessarily a good investment.   Or to put it another way, I&#8217;m not convinced of the sustainability of the earnings and share price gains.</p>
<p>In addition, my experience has been that joint ventures like Blue Whale tend to not work &#8211; it&#8217;s good that Yiu has a stake, but it&#8217;s still not really &#8216;his&#8217;.  Hargreave is in charge, and I note that Hargreave&#8217;s son is in charge of the PR/Marketing, which could be a positive or a negative depending on further facts.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m honest, I think overall I consider Blue Whale as an ETF proxy &#8211; it&#8217;s quite useful to provide exposure to quality large-cap US tech, in the absence of a great fund where one really has total faith in the alignment and fiduciary duty of the managers.  I suppose I still view Manchester &amp; London similarly, though with added liquidity issues.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
		<link>https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 18:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2810&quot;&gt;Ray Pembroke&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Ray. 

I think the concern with open-ended funds is mostly limited to those with illiquid holdings - such as the large unquoted stakes that Woodford held, commercial property, or where a fund owns a large percentage of an individual company&#039;s shares (although that can be an issue for investment trusts as well). However, with the size of companies that Blue Whale is investing in, selling any of its positions should be very easy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2810">Ray Pembroke</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Ray. </p>
<p>I think the concern with open-ended funds is mostly limited to those with illiquid holdings &#8211; such as the large unquoted stakes that Woodford held, commercial property, or where a fund owns a large percentage of an individual company&#8217;s shares (although that can be an issue for investment trusts as well). However, with the size of companies that Blue Whale is investing in, selling any of its positions should be very easy.</p>
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		By: Ray Pembroke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 17:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting article. Thanks.
It is indeed strange that Blue Whale have not pushed forward with an Investment Trust particularly after the WEIF debacle in 2019 where there is now an uneasy feeling about Open Ended Funds and their ability to deal with outflows in a downturn in a poor trading environment. Lansdown Hargreaves were criticised in the Woodford debacle where there was evidence that the Woodford Fund was on the Best Buy list at LH right up to the suspension of the Fund by the Authorised Corporate Director. An Investment Trust gives an extra layer of Independent Director protection to investors that Open Ended Funds don&#039;t have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Thanks.<br />
It is indeed strange that Blue Whale have not pushed forward with an Investment Trust particularly after the WEIF debacle in 2019 where there is now an uneasy feeling about Open Ended Funds and their ability to deal with outflows in a downturn in a poor trading environment. Lansdown Hargreaves were criticised in the Woodford debacle where there was evidence that the Woodford Fund was on the Best Buy list at LH right up to the suspension of the Fund by the Authorised Corporate Director. An Investment Trust gives an extra layer of Independent Director protection to investors that Open Ended Funds don&#8217;t have.</p>
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		By: Rhydian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhydian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes you’re right - having listened to the interview again, it seems launching a trust is more of an aspiration rather than anything concrete.

It’s a sign of their ambition that they already have an investment team of five to run a relatively small fund. They obviously envisage it growing into a multi-billion pound vehicle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes you’re right &#8211; having listened to the interview again, it seems launching a trust is more of an aspiration rather than anything concrete.</p>
<p>It’s a sign of their ambition that they already have an investment team of five to run a relatively small fund. They obviously envisage it growing into a multi-billion pound vehicle.</p>
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		By: ITinvestor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ITinvestor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2020 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2807&quot;&gt;M&lt;/a&gt;.

I suspect Caledonia and Tetragon are probably the closest. 

It might be worth looking through the Flexible sector to see what catches your eye, though. I did a quick overview piece here: https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2019/11/flexible-friends/ but I think you&#039;d probably need to look at their latest monthly/quarterly factsheets for a better feel.

I&#039;ve never really looked at the AIC&#039;s hedge fund sector, but the BH Macro &amp; Global funds and Pershing Square seem to have their fans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2020/06/blue-whale-growth-fund-the-next-big-thing/#comment-2807">M</a>.</p>
<p>I suspect Caledonia and Tetragon are probably the closest. </p>
<p>It might be worth looking through the Flexible sector to see what catches your eye, though. I did a quick overview piece here: <a href="https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2019/11/flexible-friends/" rel="ugc">https://www.itinvestor.co.uk/2019/11/flexible-friends/</a> but I think you&#8217;d probably need to look at their latest monthly/quarterly factsheets for a better feel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never really looked at the AIC&#8217;s hedge fund sector, but the BH Macro &#038; Global funds and Pershing Square seem to have their fans.</p>
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